EP 37 | How to Speak Up (Even When You Aren’t Sure What to Say) with Janet Huber

Written by on July 4, 2023

My guest for this episode of Shift Out Loud is definitely playing bigger — she was recently recognized as a 2023 Power List Leader in Workplace Diversity by Oklahoma’s Journal Record! As the Director of Diversity and Inclusion at BOK Financial, Janet Huber is responsible for providing leadership, vision, and a team-oriented philosophy to advance diversity and inclusion within the organization.

During our conversation, we talk about the unique opportunities provided by the pandemic, how working in the court system helped Janet to shift out loud and hone her craft, and the amazing books that have enabled us to think and play bigger!

Listen now to discover: 

  • The importance of taking the time to appreciate our achievements (and those of the people around us!)
  • Why privilege is so often misunderstood and the power of conscious gratitude
  • How to know when you need to speak out — and what to say when you don’t know what to say


Guest bio: Janet Huber is a Senior Vice President and Director of Diversity and Inclusion at BOK Financial. She has over 20 years of progressive HR experience and is passionate about establishing relationships and collaborating to facilitate cross-cultural dialogue and establish inclusive environments.


01:48  Intro

03:43  Meet Janet Huber

06:18  North Carolina to Tulsa and back

09:43  Pandemic & remote work

11:39  Wells Fargo to BOK

12:42  “Brag sheets” & thank yous

15:44  Wilkesboro

18:09  Mediation & the empathy gap

22:07  Privilege, gratitude & using your voice

27:02  When to speak & what to say

33:14  Sharing the microphone & mentoring

37:28  Shifting from manager to consultant

42:14  What’s next & DEI


Janet Huber


Never Split The Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It by Chris Voss with Tahl Raz


The Power of Thanks: How Social Recognition Empowers Employees and Creates a Best Place to Work by Eric Mosley & Derek Irvine


Professional Troublemaker: The Fear-Fighter Manual by Luvvie Ajayi Jones


Master Mentors: 30 Transformative Insights from Our Greatest Minds by Scott Miller